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Post by tigerlily on Jul 2, 2007 9:20:28 GMT -5
Okay, all you knowledgeable ren-folk, here's one for ye! Is it MANDATORY or NECESSARY for any particular reason (historical accuracy, decency, etc.) for a man who is wearing tights to wear a cod-piece as well? *stop giggling* Seriously...this is a discussion that Kendall and I have gotten into...we see lots of folks at faire with tights and cod-pieces, but can't remember if we see 'em with tights with no cod-pieces. Just wondering in case he did do the tights thing...do we need to buy a cod-piece too? Thanks...*cringing at the thought of some of the answers I'm gonna get here...*
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Post by masterjames on Jul 2, 2007 13:32:24 GMT -5
It all depends is the answer. Cod pieces are never required and if you are doing Henrican period wear then there is definitely no cod piece unless you are doing Italian. The cod piece became popular around 1550 and lasted until around 1575 or so with them getting bigger and more gaudy, if I remember the dates right. I have heard several reasons for them and most are not pleasant. But around 1575-1580 they seemed to fall out of popularity for the general populace, from what I know, although you would still find some wearing it.
So depending on the period of garb you are making and if you want to be historically accurate or not determines if you wear a cod piece or not. Hope this helps.
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 2, 2007 13:57:32 GMT -5
It all depends is the answer. Cod pieces are never required and if you are doing Henrican period wear then there is definitely no cod piece unless you are doing Italian. The cod piece became popular around 1550 and lasted until around 1575 or so with them getting bigger and more gaudy, if I remember the dates right. I have heard several reasons for them and most are not pleasant. But around 1575-1580 they seemed to fall out of popularity for the general populace, from what I know, although you would still find some wearing it. So depending on the period of garb you are making and if you want to be historically accurate or not determines if you wear a cod piece or not. Hope this helps. Thank you so much, Master James! This DOES help, tremendously! I had gotten a pair of tights for my husband last season, but he never wore them...but in doing a 'dress rehearsal' yesterday, he realized that they were something that he might very well utilize this season. Not sure if we're EVER doing any particuclar period, but his leanings are to things less formal and more rugged...swashbuckling, roguish, not so much the dress of a courtier, poet, or lord, for example. I think we've worked out "a look" for him that would work with the tights, but I just wasn't sure if a cod-piece was more or less required...we see some elaborate ones at faire, for sure! I don't think he's quite that bold, though! ha! Thanks again, so much, for your help!
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Post by skumfan on Jul 2, 2007 22:23:32 GMT -5
Actually, this is a great question! Historicity aside, my recollection is that most of the well known playtrons at MDRF wear a codpiece if they wear tights. Of course, the reason for that may be the opportunity to acquire yet another garb accessory, and you can't have too many of those, so it seems. But they're expensive, at least at Cimmerian, I think they are well over $100 and maybe closer to $200. That, and the fact that the whole tights and codpiece affair looks like a 'royal pain in the privy' is why I haven't yet gone that route.
Bob
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 3, 2007 13:51:25 GMT -5
Actually, this is a great question! Historicity aside, my recollection is that most of the well known playtrons at MDRF wear a codpiece if they wear tights. Of course, the reason for that may be the opportunity to acquire yet another garb accessory, and you can't have too many of those, so it seems. But they're expensive, at least at Cimmerian, I think they are well over $100 and maybe closer to $200. That, and the fact that the whole tights and codpiece affair looks like a 'royal pain in the privy' is why I haven't yet gone that route. Bob Thanks so much, Bob! Wow! I had no idea that codpieces were so pricey! I know that you can always keep adding to the cost of stuff, with fancier and more expensive materials, brocade, etc. but WOW! Yes, I hear ya about continuing to add to garb and accessories! I think they're like eating peanuts or getting tattoos...you can't just stop at one! Totally addictive! Meanwhile, not sure if hubby is going to go with the tights or not...it's still being decided, but this info here helps a lot. Isn't it funny, too, how excited one can get when one finds out that their garb pants actually come equipped with a fly?! ha! Maybe another reason for not going the tight route, as you said...
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Post by bludrgnlady on Jul 3, 2007 15:30:30 GMT -5
You know if your hubby wears a pair of tights you will fighting the ladies off with a stick.....
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 3, 2007 15:38:15 GMT -5
You know if your hubby wears a pair of tights you will fighting the ladies off with a stick..... I told him this very thing on Sunday, during our dress rehearsal...then again, he's such good eye candy for me that I would be willing to go through the battle...and besides, who am I to deny the other lasses at faire their eye candy? hehe! Like BF says..."he's such a hottie!!" *I'll told him you said so...it'll make his day!!*
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Post by jubilee on Aug 11, 2007 9:06:19 GMT -5
It all depends is the answer. Cod pieces are never required and if you are doing Henrican period wear then there is definitely no cod piece unless you are doing Italian. The cod piece became popular around 1550 and lasted until around 1575 or so with them getting bigger and more gaudy, if I remember the dates right. I have heard several reasons for them and most are not pleasant. But around 1575-1580 they seemed to fall out of popularity for the general populace, from what I know, although you would still find some wearing it. Sorry I'm so late but I have to take a small issue with this. Here is a painting of HenryVIII himself wearing a cod piece. www.tudorhistory.org/henry8/henryred2.jpg The cod piece was early and German/English; not Italian. Not to say they didn't wear them in Italy, it just wasn't as common as during the Henrican period in England. Also, by 1560's, they were pretty much no longer in fashion. As for the original question: they aren't really tights. They are hosen. The stockings tie at the hips to brais (underwear). Anyone wearing nylon tights just looks silly and will overheat. Linen hosen are a lot more comfortable and can be rolled down (see the painting of Henry VIII above). And yes, you always wore hosen with anything you wore unless you were working.
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Post by dragonskincods on Feb 5, 2008 19:51:38 GMT -5
;D Hey, just an fyi - we are new members to this forum and it is our opinion that a gentlemen should not wear hosen without a proper codpiece. The hosen and codpiece can be very tasteful with the proper attire. In fact, coming soon on dragonskincods.etsy.com you can order custom made codpieces starting at $50.
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Post by Fyreblaste on Apr 7, 2008 16:42:49 GMT -5
Methinks the codpiece came about to afford a man some protection from the kicks of angry wenches who caught the fellow protographing her bodice at the faire.
no wait! My timelines are all convoluted
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