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Post by LadyGodith on Aug 12, 2008 13:25:56 GMT -5
Okay ladies, I need some answers here as I feel completely foolish for even having to ask. First off, I am a Civil War (1861 to 1864) Reenactor and my garb there is exactly period correct down to the drawers. I wear anywhere from 2 to 3 petticoats, either over my corded or a hoop/farthingdale(sp), chemise, and corset. What on earth SHOULD I be wearing underneath my Faire garb? I have recently purchased a cute pair of drawers/bloomers and a crinolin(not period correct). But had thought o replace that with my CW Corded petti to give me a little more bell shape. Any thoughts, suggestions, ideas?? ~Kerri
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2008 14:55:04 GMT -5
Hi there and nice to meet you, by the way! Um, as far as what to wear underneath and all...well, I'm VERY casual in regards to the historical aspect of my garb...I don't have to have things historically correct, in other words...what feels good and is comfortable, especially for a whole day (or weekend, rather) of walking around, eating, drinking, dancing, not to mention slipping in and out of port-o-potties, is what is good for me...the simpler, the better! (so, in other words...I go 21st century underneath)...gosh, can't believe I'm talking 'bout this! But several layers of skirts (on occasion) can be more than enough for me, that is for sure! For those weekends where I'm wearing a dress or tights, well...*wink*...we won't go there...
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Post by LadyGodith on Aug 12, 2008 15:02:55 GMT -5
TigerLilly, THANK YOU for the tips. I did do just that, 21st century all the way for the last 4 yrs, but decided this year I'd like to try a bit more H/A to see how it helps my impression. Chances are, I will only add the bloomers and a corded petti under 2 skirts and my chemise and bodice. We'll just have to see how it works out. ~Kerri
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Post by Ana on Aug 12, 2008 16:26:05 GMT -5
You might try asking over in the Garbing section of www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/ . There's quite a lot of H/A garbers (is that a word?) there. I myself just wear the skirts and underneat, usually a pair of shorts and you know, underthings.
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Post by Lady Lauren Juliette on Aug 12, 2008 22:43:17 GMT -5
Hi there and nice to meet you, by the way! Um, as far as what to wear underneath and all...well, I'm VERY casual in regards to the historical aspect of my garb...I don't have to have things historically correct, in other words...what feels good and is comfortable, especially for a whole day (or weekend, rather) of walking around, eating, drinking, dancing, not to mention slipping in and out of port-o-potties, is what is good for me...the simpler, the better! (so, in other words...I go 21st century underneath)...gosh, can't believe I'm talking 'bout this! But several layers of skirts (on occasion) can be more than enough for me, that is for sure! For those weekends where I'm wearing a dress or tights, well...*wink*...we won't go there... Go ahead and say it... COMMANDO IS THE WAY TO WORK IT!!!
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2008 22:50:40 GMT -5
Hi there and nice to meet you, by the way! Um, as far as what to wear underneath and all...well, I'm VERY casual in regards to the historical aspect of my garb...I don't have to have things historically correct, in other words...what feels good and is comfortable, especially for a whole day (or weekend, rather) of walking around, eating, drinking, dancing, not to mention slipping in and out of port-o-potties, is what is good for me...the simpler, the better! (so, in other words...I go 21st century underneath)...gosh, can't believe I'm talking 'bout this! But several layers of skirts (on occasion) can be more than enough for me, that is for sure! For those weekends where I'm wearing a dress or tights, well...*wink*...we won't go there... Go ahead and say it... COMMANDO IS THE WAY TO WORK IT!!! You're so brave! Okay, I confess!! Dare I say, "Commando?" or...."Regimental?!" Ack!! *I think I'm blushing!* ;D
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Post by mistresshemyngton on Aug 13, 2008 7:37:02 GMT -5
Historically...no really underpants for ladies save during those times in the month you need to rag it. During the winder there might be a wrap like diaper or draping...there's a picture of it in a book I have, if only a scanner...anyway, there really is not many extant underclothes for this time period. Chemise or smock with a stockings/hose, farthingale, bodies, Kirtle, and gown is the clothing layers. Sometimes there would be worn an underskirt for modesty or warm (fur lined in the winter. Farthingales have been fur lined for winter use also). Of course that is those who put on for show...commoners: Chemise or smock, stockings/hose, skirts, bodice, and sometimes bodies. Not sure if this helps and remember history changes all the time...those blasted archeologist's.
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Post by LadyGodith on Aug 13, 2008 7:51:33 GMT -5
You might try asking over in the Garbing section of www.renaissancefestival.com/forums/ . There's quite a lot of H/A garbers (is that a word?) there. I myself just wear the skirts and underneat, usually a pair of shorts and you know, underthings. Thanks, I'm still awaiting my confirmation and activation for that site.
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Post by LadyGodith on Aug 13, 2008 7:57:20 GMT -5
Historically...no really underpants for ladies save during those times in the month you need to rag it. During the winder there might be a wrap like diaper or draping...there's a picture of it in a book I have, if only a scanner...anyway, there really is not many extant underclothes for this time period. Chemise or smock with a stockings/hose, farthingale, bodies, Kirtle, and gown is the clothing layers. Sometimes there would be worn an underskirt for modesty or warm (fur lined in the winter. Farthingales have been fur lined for winter use also). Of course that is those who put on for show...commoners: Chemise or smock, stockings/hose, skirts, bodice, and sometimes bodies. Not sure if this helps and remember history changes all the time...those blasted archeologist's. Thank you for this, I am for the most part, H/A with the exception of the Moresca 'mega dress' I purchased a few years ago. And yes, Regimental is the way to go , but I figured this year I'd play around and add a pair of open drawers/bloomers. The most I have on at any one time for this period is a chemise/smock, stockings, shoes, at least 2 skirts for fullness, and a bodice. Mistresshemyngton, what are you referring to when you say Bodies ... Thanks everyone!! I am soooo looking forward to this season and new friends!! ~Kerri
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Post by ladyneysa on Aug 13, 2008 9:11:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posing that question Kerri, I was kinda wondering what the term "bodies" meant m'self. I've heard the term before, but I'm not sure what it means.
I hope I get to introduce myself to you over the season!
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Post by mistresshemyngton on Aug 14, 2008 8:33:51 GMT -5
Bodies is the common period term for a corset.
Oh and I have had a child so I never go commando, I prefer the modern undergarment. ;D I am for authenticity when able but not to that extent. Although they are a bugger when using the blue boxes in full garb.
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Post by masterjames on Aug 14, 2008 12:44:56 GMT -5
Well m'lady actually wears the civil war period crotchless bloomers and swears by them but if you want to go totally historically acurate, as mistresshemyngton said they really only wore an ankle length chemise as far as underpinnings and then the corset, farthingale, underskirt, forepare and overskirt and bodice for a middle/noble class lady.
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 14, 2008 13:29:12 GMT -5
I would also think it would depend on what sort of historical person you're garbing as, i.e. nobility, commoner, middle class, etc. Correct? I usually attire as a lowly wench, hence no fancy underthings for me.
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Post by mistresshemyngton on Aug 15, 2008 7:17:28 GMT -5
Absolutely, that is why I love portraying commoners because I get away with more, I mean less, I mean I don't have to worry about the fancies! But most of the time I am in the middlin/merchant class so I am definitely aping my betters. But no matter what station, I wear a pair of bodies/corset...must keep this old bod in check and give the right illusion.
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Post by jubilee on Sept 7, 2008 9:30:07 GMT -5
Historically...no really underpants for ladies save during those times in the month you need to rag it. No! Sorry but that is a terrible terrible Renn myth that has been going on for some time. Not only do we have extant examples: realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/workbox/extdraw.htm...one pair of which is mentioned in QEI's wardrobe unlock'd, but we also have pictorial evidence: www.freewebs.com/isabelladangelo/xmilkmai.jpgwww.wga.hu/art/m/mantegna/2/judith.jpgThey wore underwear. It was worn, clearly, in Germany and in Italy. In england, there is plenty of evidence that they wore it there too. There is actually evidence going back to at least the 14th c and I seriously doubt it was a new thing then. As for what to wear, a farthingale (hoop skirt. if you have one in the 1850's style, you'll be okay), a corset, a chemise, and drawers. Now, you can wear you corset as outterwear, which is all the bodice was in period. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at lizmaekate at hotmail dot com
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Post by LadyGodith on Jul 28, 2009 15:50:32 GMT -5
Jubilee, Thank you for posting, and I'm terribly sorry for not catching this sooner. OMG! did any of you catch the Black work on this pair from the first link Jubilee offered? Absolutely amazing!!! I have not considered wearing my caged hoop (CW pd 1860s) as it was rather expensive and I'm afraid in all my merriment, I might damage it. What about a bum-role? to add a bit of definition to my skirts? And as to my period or status, I'm a commoner. ~Kerri Historically...no really underpants for ladies save during those times in the month you need to rag it. No! Sorry but that is a terrible terrible Renn myth that has been going on for some time. Not only do we have extant examples: realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/workbox/extdraw.htm...one pair of which is mentioned in QEI's wardrobe unlock'd, but we also have pictorial evidence: www.freewebs.com/isabelladangelo/xmilkmai.jpgwww.wga.hu/art/m/mantegna/2/judith.jpgThey wore underwear. It was worn, clearly, in Germany and in Italy. In england, there is plenty of evidence that they wore it there too. There is actually evidence going back to at least the 14th c and I seriously doubt it was a new thing then. As for what to wear, a farthingale (hoop skirt. if you have one in the 1850's style, you'll be okay), a corset, a chemise, and drawers. Now, you can wear you corset as outterwear, which is all the bodice was in period. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at lizmaekate at hotmail dot com
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Post by masterjames on Jul 29, 2009 11:34:15 GMT -5
As to a bum roll, if you are a commoner and not an upper middle class or even noble then the chances that you would not even have enough fabric to wear a farthingale if you want to be totally period correct. In order to wear a farthingale you would need around 9 yards of fabric and a commoner could not afford that. NOW having said that, this is faire and not period SO I would leave out the bumroll as that is more noble level and also requires adjustments to the gown to be sure it maintains a constant length with the bumroll in place. Just my 2 pence.
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Post by LadyGodith on Jul 29, 2009 14:43:23 GMT -5
Thank you Master James, I appreciate your input greatly! I'll make due possibly with my corded petticoat (CW 1860) for a little bit more definition to my skirts. It's something a commoner of that period would have had or at least had handed down, the garment would have been in need of some serious mending however. ;(
~Kerri
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